#NinjaJoe, #PRamly (#PorkRamly) and #PorkBurger

Storm in a fast-food wrapper: The P. Ramly Pork Burger

Close on the heels of JAKIM and the #Hotdog fiasco comes “homage” to Ramly Burger!

Enter the Selangor Islamic Affairs Department (Jais) and Negeri Sembilan Islamic Affairs Department (JHEAINS) and MCA!

And the Kelantan Mufti: No jokes, please!

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31 Oct 2016

Lawyers: Islamic agencies have no jurisdiction over companies like Ninja Joe

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 31 — Islamic agencies do not have jurisdiction to act on companies such as the burger chain Ninja Joe which was recently probed over its now-scrapped “P. Ramly” product name, lawyers have said.

Civil liberties lawyer Fahri Azzat said it was “likely” that the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (Jais) and Negri Sembilan Islamic Religious Affairs Department (Jheains) had overstepped their jurisdiction or the legal limits of their powers when they recently investigated Ninja Joe outlets.

“They have no business over a restaurant that did not apply for halal certification,” he told Malay Mail Online yesterday when contacted, agreeing that the “correct” position is for their powers to be limited to outlets with halal certification or those claiming their products to be halal or permissible for Muslims’ use or consumption.

Referring specifically to Jheains’s assertion that it has powers under trade description laws to investigate Ninja Joe over an allegedly confusing name for the latter’s pork burger, Fahri disagreed.

“I think this is incorrect. Jheains has no jurisdiction over trademark or confusion about trade names or items. More so when the entity did not apply for halal certification for those items,” he said.

29 Oct 2016

Burger row: Don’t push a joke too far, says mufti

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PETALING JAYA: The mufti of Kelantan has added his voice to a clamour by religious officials for action against the sale of the “P.Ramly” pork burger.

He said no one should advertise a product in such a way that a ‘haram’ product might appear to be ‘halal’.

“The public should not mock or belittle issues involving laws,” said Mohamad Shukri Mohamad in Kota Baru, according to the Sinar Harian daily. “Don’t make it as a joke. There is a limit to jokes, when you cross the line, it is going too far.”

The federal Islamic development corporation, Jakim, has claimed that irresponsible parties were making Muslim consumers confused by publicising issues concerning halal status.

In a Friday sermon, Jakim claimed that the “P.Ramly” burger issue had made the Muslim community anxious and confused.

Whose fault if you don’t see ‘pork’ on Ninja Joe’s ad? MCA asks

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KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 29 ― MCA has defended fast food outlet Ninja Joe today, saying that the latter should not be blamed if the public fails to understand that the chain sells pork despite open admission for its P. Ramly homage burger.

The Barisan Nasional component said the company cannot be accused of misleading consumers that it sells halal products, chiding state religious authorities instead for trying interfere into the constitutional rights and practices of non-Muslims.

“The word ‘pork’ was conspicuously written beneath the word ‘P. Ramly burger’, hence how could anyone be confused as to which animal pork meat is defined as or referred to?

“If a diner or passerby can sight ‘P. Ramly burger’, but did not see the word ‘pork’ written below, whose fault should it be?” asked party’s religious harmony bureau chief Datuk Seri Ti Lian Ker.

Instead, Ti said passerbys could only become “confused” if they were illiterate and was attracted by the picture of the burger, did not read English, or did not know that pork equals meat from swine.

MCA has a cow over Islamic authorities’ pork burger clampdown

MCA religious harmony bureau chief Ti Lian Ker said it was “foolish” for a local burger chain to name its pork burger “P Ramly” but expressed concern that religious authorities are encroaching into non-Muslim affairs.

This was after the Selangor Islamic Affairs Department (Jais) and Negeri Sembilan Islamic Affairs Department (JHEAINS) announced they will probe the matter on grounds that the Malay name may “confuse Muslims”.

“We are alarmed that both Jais and JHEAINS claim that the law accords them the same powers as the Ministry of Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism to enforce trade description laws on any premises, i.e. raid any premises.

“The jurisdiction of state religious authorities are limited to Muslims only and should not interfere into the constitutional rights and practices of non-Muslims,” he said in a statement today.

Ti said he was worried that Jais and JHEANS’ involvement may lead to a repeat to the 2014 incident where Jais raided the Bible Society of Malaysia and confiscated bibles in the Malay and Iban language.

26 Oct 2016

Ninja Joe proprietor Kelvin Tan said posters of the “P. Ramly” burger would be removed and the product would be renamed.

: After Muslim complaint, Ninja Joe says will rename ‘P. Ramly’ pork burger

KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 25 ― Ninja Joe has decided to change the name of their “P. Ramly” pork burger and remove posters of the product after a Muslim consumer group found it offensive.

The local burger joint, which has outlets in Petaling Jaya, Klang, Seremban and Singapore, also said they had chosen the name when they launched the burger on Hari Merdeka to pay homage to Ramly Burger.

“The Ramly Burger has been in Malaysia for a very long time; it’s iconic. It’s a homage to them,” Ninja Joe proprietor Kelvin Tan told Malay Mail Online when contacted today, referring to the popular burger meat company.

“That’s why we came up with the ‘P. Ramly’. It’s got nothing to do with the actor. It’s purely a coincidence. The ‘P’ is for pork ― ‘Pork Ramly’,” he added.

Earlier today, Malay daily Berita Harian reported the Muslim Consumers Association of Malaysia (PPIM) as demanding action against Ninja Joe over its “P. Ramly” burger, claiming that the name “confused” the public, even though a poster of the product at a shopping mall in Petaling Jaya clearly stated that it was a pork burger.

The paper also reported a woman who claimed that the “P. Ramly” name disrespected the late artiste, Tan Sri P. Ramlee.

Ninja Joe proprietor Kelvin Tan told Malay Mail Online that the name was chosen to pay homage to Ramly Burger when they launched the burger on Hari Merdeka.

“The Ramly Burger has been in Malaysia for a very long time; it’s iconic. It’s a homage to them,” he said, adding that the letter “P” stood for pork.

The local burger joint has outlets in Petaling Jaya, Klang, Seremban and Singapore.

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25 Oct 2016

Ramly burger boss pans pork burger tribute, says seeking legal advice

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KUALA LUMPUR, Oct 25 — Datuk Ramly Mokni is far from impressed by a local fast food chain’s move to name a pork burger after him.

The founder and owner of Ramly Group, the company behind the popular Malaysian food brand Ramly Burger, questioned non-halal eatery Ninja Joe’s claim to pay homage to him by calling the pork burger “P. Ramly” and added that he is consulting his lawyers after a Muslim consumer group highlighted the issue.

“I am leaving it to my lawyers to advise me on what to do. Personally, legal suits are not always the best way, but I will seek their advice,” Ramly told Malay Mail Online when contacted today.

“It is just confusing and wrong. Pay homage to my burger but using pork meat? You know how dangerous that move is don’t you?” he added.

Ramly said there have been previous reports to the Domestic Trade, Cooperatives and Consumerism Ministry on the confusion caused by the pork burger, but alleged that no action was taken.

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