Hudud and amputation, whipping and stoning…

HUDUD: NO, KARPAL SINGH DIDN’T WANT IT.

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Videos: PAS and PKR in ‘marital’ fight over Hudud; ‘divorce’ pending

In a recent press interview, Kelantan deputy menteri besar Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah said contemporary Islamic scholars were of the opinion that the services of surgeons were needed in carrying out punitive amputation to ensure that no part of the body beyond one of the wrists would be harmed.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2018/01/14/muslim-docs-say-no-to-punitive-amputation/

16 January 2018

PAS retreats after doctors slam proposal to use them for punitive amputation

PETALING JAYA: PAS said there was no need to discuss a suggestion that the services of surgeons be used to carry out punitive amputation under hudud, after such a proposal by the Kelantan government was condemned by the medical community.

PAS deputy president Tuan Ibrahim Tuan Man also questioned health director-general for criticising the suggestion by Kelantan deputy menteri besar Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah, who had said the punitive amputation when done by doctors would ensure that other parts of the body were not harmed.

Tuan Ibrahim said the discussion was irrelevant as there is currently no such laws in Malaysia.

“Even in the amendments to Act 355 which has not been passed does not entail such a law,” he said, referring to PAS’s efforts to amend the Shariah Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Act 1965.

“Before discussing who would carry out the procedure, there has to be a law that calls for such a procedure first,” he said.

 

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2018/01/16/pas-retreats-after-doctors-slam-proposal-to-use-them-for-punitive-amputation/#sthash.ejScp6oD.uxfs

14 January 2018

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No, surgeons can’t be executioners, says Health DG

He says even in the unlikely event hudud is implemented, neither the ministry nor Malaysian Medical Council will allow surgeons to cut off limbs.

PETALING JAYA: Health director-general Dr Noor Hisham Abdullah has assured the public that the health ministry will never allow doctors to amputate the hands of thieves found guilty even if hudud is implemented in the country.

“What we said in 2015 still stands today.

“Both the health ministry and Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) are clear about this,” he told FMT.

In April 2015, Noor Hisham was reported as reminding doctors to take their Hippocratic oath seriously and not to cause any harm to people.

This was in view of Kelantan pushing for implementation of hudud in the state then.

Health Minister Dr S Subramaniam was also quoted as saying that the ministry would not allow its doctors to perform amputations on criminals.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2018/01/14/no-surgeons-cant-be-executioners-says-health-dg/

Muslim docs say no to punitive amputation

PETALING JAYA: Three prominent Muslim doctors of medicine have voiced outrage over the Kelantan government’s proposal to use the services of surgeons in amputating the hands of thieves found guilty under hudud law.

They told FMT that would mean asking a doctor to violate his professional oath of doing no harm to the human body.

The three are Islamic Renaissance Front director Ahmad Farouk Musa, who is a cardiothoracic surgeon, California-based surgeon and political commentator M Bakri Musa and Kota Raja MP Siti Mariah Mahmud, a doctor who used to teach medicine at Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2018/01/14/muslim-docs-say-no-to-punitive-amputation/

3 January 2018

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Deputy MB: Kelantan to model Qatar’s hudud law, including amputation

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 3 — The Kelantan government will study ways of adopting Qatar’s implementation of hudud, the Islamic penal law, said Deputy Mentri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah.

According to Mohd Amar, the state will allocate RM1 million to research how best to implement hudud that includes amputation, whipping and stoning for some offences.

Read more at http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/deputy-mb-kelantan-to-model-qatars-hudud-law-including-amputation#l6WwMh3rkyyTe0fA.99

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Kelantan to consider Qatar’s hudud law

KOTA BARU: Kelantan will consider adopting the template used by Qatar if it gets to implement the Hudud law.

Deputy Menteri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah said the system applied in Qatar is among the best and is well documented.

“The Qatar model is also more modern and updated,” he said.

Mohd Amar said the state government would soon conduct another visit to Qatar to learn more of its Hudud law.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2018/01/320745/kelantan-consider-qatars-hudud-law

Surgeons to chop off limbs of offenders?

Kelantan Deputy Mentri Besar Datuk Mohd Amar Nik Abdullah says that the traditional chopping off of limbs of criminals as provided under hudud law, may be conducted by a surgeon instead.

https://weehingthong.org/2012/06/30/hudud-no-i-dont-want-it/

17 June 2016

Bukan Islam Kelantan turut tolak ‘pakaian seksi’ via

Persatuan Peranakan Cina Kelantan berkata kalau golongan bukan Islam terlampau mendedahkan aurat, ia akan menjatuhkan imej masyarakat Cina Kelantan juga.

PETALING JAYA: Masyarakat Kelantan yang tidak beragama Islam mendakwa mereka tiada masalah dengan tindakan Jabatan Hal Ehwal Agama Islam Kelantan (JAHEAIK) memberi kaunseling kepada wanita berpakaian ketat, menjolok mata dan seksi.

Pengerusi Persatuan Peranakan Cina Kelantan (PPCK) Lim Kham Hong berkata mereka menyambut baik usaha yang dilakukan JAHEAIK, malah turut mengalu-alukan jika pendekatan sama dibuat kepada wanita bukan Islam dengan syarat ia tidak melanggar batas tertentu.

Katanya, sebagai bukan Islam mereka juga tidak selesa jika ada wanita memakai pakaian seksi di tempat awam.

“Itu hak Islam, agama Islam nak melarang sekiranya (ada wanita) tidak menutup aurat, kami tidak halang. Malah kami juga tidak ada apa-apa kesan dengan pelaksanaan itu.

“Memang tidak sesuai kalau kita (bukan Islam) pakai pakaian menjolok mata di tempat orang ramai, walaupun agama kami tidak melarangnya.

Sekiranya JAHEAIK menegur bukan Islam supaya berpakaian sopan sekalipun kita terima kerana itu cara menegur orang bukan Islam dengan betul, asalkan ia tidak menyentuh soal agama kami, kami terima,” katanya kepada FMT.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/bahasa/2016/06/17/bukan-islam-kelantan-turut-tolak-pakaian-seksi/

11 June 2016

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31 women arrested in Kelantan for clothing violations

Thirty-one women have been arrested in northern Malaysia for wearing tight clothing or not donning a headscarf, in a crackdown during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, a media report said today.

The drive against inappropriate clothing will continue for the whole month of Ramadan, the report said.

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/344901?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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29 May 2016

Superfrog wants to speak his 2 sen’s worth…

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Resign threats an insult to Agong, says Perkasa

Malay rights pressure group Perkasa said any threat to resign from cabinet over the hudud is a threat to the Agong, as head of Islam in the country.

This comes after MIC, MCA and Gerakan members on the cabinet threatened to quit if the law is changed to pave the way for hudud to be implemented in Malaysia.

Perkasa Islamic bureau chief Amini Amir Abdullah said the resignation threats also hints of a “conspiracy” with DAP.

“Why must the govenrment be pressured? Isn’t it better to discuss this behind close doors without threats to resign?

“Any threat to the Malaysian government on the issue of Islam is an insult and a sign of disrespect to the Agong as head of religion, and shows lack of understanding of Islam’s position as the religion of the federation,” he said in a statement.

He added that the Private Member’s Bill, which PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang wants to table, only applies to syariah courts and do not affect non-Muslims.

“We hope Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak does not budge (on this matter),” he said.

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/343400

‘Threats to quit cabinet meaningless, ask for Azalina’s sacking instead’

Gelang Patah MP Lim Kit Siang called BN leaders’ threats to quit their cabinet posts over the Hudud Bill “meaningless” and lacking in concrete measures.

He was referring to cabinet ministers MCA president Liow Tiong Lai and Gerakan president Mah Siew Keong’s threat yesterday to quit should PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang’s Private Member’s Bill be passed.

This was after the uproar on Thursday in Parliament, when Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Azalina Othman Said proposed to move Hadi’s bill up the queue on the order paper, seconded by Deputy Works Minister Rosnah Abdul Rashid Shirlin.

“Instead of making meaningless statements after the horses had bolted, Liow and Mah should restore the status quo ante before Azalina stood up in Parliament after Thursday’s lunch break to propose the ministerial motion to give priority to Hadi’s hudud motion […],” he said in a statement.

He said the duo should instead call for action to be taken against Azalina and Rosnah, by sacking the duo for going against BN’s collective stand against the motion, and for the cabinet to repudiate the duo.

Lim said the best way forward is to ensure Hadi’s bill does not see the light of day in Parliament.

“If Liow and Mah are not prepared to restore the status quo ante before Azalina’s ministerial motion on Thursday, they would not have much credibility even if they make all sorts of promises and threats.

“Threats of quitting the cabinet makes news headlines, but how credible are they?” quipped Lim.

https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/343379

Wee Ka Siong: I too will quit if Hudud Bill passed

Subra also to quit cabinet if hudud implemented

nothing more ironic than a lesbian minister supporting hudud bill.

Hold on the punches for a better occasion guys…:)

26/5 PAS’ Private Members’ Bill on hudud to be debated in Parliament; motion to bring it forward submitted by Azalina Othman/STAR

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http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/05/29/we-may-be-pushed-to-leave-says-kurup/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We may be pushed to leave, says Kurup

PETALING JAYA: Sabah and Sarawak may be tempted to go their separate ways if the amendment to the Syariah Courts Act are passed in Parliament, said PBRS president Tan Sri Joseph Kurup.

The law, he said, would have a divisive effect on the unity and understanding that was cultivated since the formation of Malaysia in 1963.

“If it (the Bill) is forced into Parliament and passed, I’m afraid it will trigger more feelings among the people of Sabah and Sarawak to go their separate ways. They (Federal Go­­vern­­ment) shouldn’t have the slightest thought of introducing this law,” he said yesterday.

Kurup, who is Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department, said he would abide by his party’s consensus to put their foot down on the matter.

To a question on his Cabinet post, he said: “The instruction from my supreme council is, as far as my position is concerned, and the words they use is, we have to put our foot down. So, I think there is a subtle meaning to that.”

Kurup also made it clear that his party would oppose the Bill in Parliament, adding that they were holding on to the pledge made by Malaysia’s forefathers that it would always remain a secular nation.

Sarawak Deputy Chief Minister Datuk Amar Douglas Uggah Embas said such laws would never come to Sarawak, adding that PBB, the biggest party in the state, would never support such a Bill.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/05/29/we-may-be-pushed-to-leave-says-kurup/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Faced with ‘betrayal’ by UMNO, the tail-waggers MCA and Gerakan offer to resign from the Cabinet.

28 May 2016

MCA, Gerakan, MIC, etc..told to mind their own business!

Umno veterans say BN parties have no right to comment on hudud

 

PETALING JAYA: Barisan Nasional component parties have no right to comment on the Private Member’s Bill tabled by PAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang as it only concerns the Muslims, said the veterans of Umno.

Congratulating Hadi on the move, Umno Veterans Club secretary-general Datuk Mustapha Yaakub (pic) said non-Muslim leaders in Barisan should not be too quick to jump to conclusions.

“They should instead understand the content and the definition of the Bill before making any comment.

“Besides, they have no right to have a say because the Bill is meant for Muslims. Even if it is enforced, it is strictly for Muslims only,” Mustapha said in a statement.

Mustapha said the veterans were disappointed with the MCA for “deliberately” associating Umno with the Bill.

He said it is an obligation for Muslim members of Parliament to support the Bill as it would empower the Syariah Courts to be on par with the Civil Courts.

“They shouldn’t politicise this issue just to win support from the Chinese, who are not Muslims.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/05/28/umno-veterans-say-bn-parties-have-no-right-to-comment-on-hudud/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Mah joins Liow in quit threat over ‘hudud bill’

May 28, 2016

Gerakan President Mah Siew Kong says he too will resign his Cabinet post after MCA President confirms his willingness to step down as Transport Minister if Syariah Amendment law passed.

PETALING JAYA: The presidents of MCA and Gerakan have vowed to quit their Cabinet positions in the event that the Syariah Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) (Amendment ) Bill 2016 is passed in Parliament.

Earlier today, MCA President Liow Tiong Lai said he was willing to make the sacrifice to leave his position as Transport Minister, according to a report in The Star Online today.

“I’m trying to stop it. I’m trying to get all the component parties to stop it. I am urging both sides of the political divide to come together and stop this Bill.

“So, if we cannot do it. We will have to sacrifice. I will resign.

“No point I stay on anymore. I have to be very firm on this one,” Liow was quoted as saying by The Star.

However, he was coy about the position of his party in the Barisan Nasional, saying that he was only speaking in a personal capacity as a Cabinet member.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2016/05/28/mah-joins-liow-in-quit-threat-over-hudud-bill/

28 May 2016

Yesterday, Liow had, in a joint statement with three Barisan Nasional component party presidents, voiced their dissatisfaction, saying that the matter was not discussed in cabinet or the BN Supreme Council.

Liow Tiong Lai : I’ll quit if Pas’ Private Member’s Bill is passed

By HANA NAZ HARUN and TASNIM LOKMAN – 28 May 2016 @ 6:25 PM
KUALA LUMPUR: Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai has threatened to resign from the Cabinet if Pas’ Private Member’s Bill is passed in Parliament.
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Liow, who is also MCA president was quoted in The Star today as saying that he would have to “sacrifice” and “resign” if the tabling of the bill could not be stopped.
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“I’m trying to stop it. I’m trying to get all the component parties to stop it. I am urging both sides of the political divide to come together and stop this bill.
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“So if we cannot do it, we will have to sacrifice. I will resign. “No point I stay on anymore, you know. I have to be very firm on this one,” he said.
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He urged politicians from both sides of the political divide not to vote for the bill, which Pas president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang tabled in Parliament on Thursday.Read More : http://www.nst.com.my/news/2016/05/148324/liow-ill-quit-if-pas-private-members-bill-passed

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