Will the TRUTH ever be known about the shooting down of MH17 in the Ukraine?

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MAS flies into a bleak future

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THE HAGUE: One of the victims of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 shot down in Ukraine in July was found wearing an oxygen mask, the Dutch foreign minister and prosecutors said, raising the possibility that some passengers might have known their plane was doomed.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/10/09/MH17-victim-oxygen-mask/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Timmermans, who was being interviewed on the Dutch national broadcaster’s show Pauw, answered a comment from host Jeroen Pauw that the final moments aboard Flight MH17 were not as suggested during Timmerman’s speech at the UN Security Council in the week after the atrocity.

“No, they did not see the missile coming, but did you know that someone was found with an oxygen mask over his mouth? So someone had the time to do that,” Timmermans said, dismissing Pauw’s question.

Timmermans added that there was no evidence to conclude that the final moments could not have been as he said in his UN speech.

Timmermans suggested that passengers had remained conscious after the airliner was struck by a suspected missile during his UN speech on July 21.

Experts later said everyone on board was likely killed immediately or, if not, became unconscious within seconds.

“I’ve been thinking how horrible the final moments of their lives must have been, when they knew the plane was going down,” Timmermans said during his speech at the UN.

“Did they lock hands with their loved ones, did they hold their children close to their hearts, did they look each other in the eyes, one final time, in a wordless goodbye? We will never know.”

New evidence suggests passengers may have been conscious when aircraft crashed:

Passenger on doomed MH17 flight was wearing an oxygen mask, Dutch investigators reveal

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The body of one of the passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was found wearing an oxygen mask, it has emerged.

The revelation raises questions about how much those on board knew about their fate when the plane plunged out of the sky above Eastern Ukraine in July.

The passenger, an Australian, did not have the mask on his face, but its elastic strap was around his neck, said Wim de Bruin, a spokesman for the Dutch National Prosecutor’s Office which is carrying out a criminal investigation into the air disaster.

De Bruin said Dutch forensic experts investigated the mask “for fingerprints, saliva and DNA and that did not produce any results. So it is not known how or when that mask got around the neck of the victim.”

De Bruin said no other bodies recovered from the wreckage were found wearing masks. He added he did not know where in the plane the Australian victim was sitting.

Two Ukrainian fighter jets shot down as Kiev accuses Moscow of sending more arms to separatists

Two Ukrainian military fighter jets were reportedly shot down over the nation’s contested eastern region on Wednesday, even as U.S. and Ukrainian sources said Russian weaponry has been pouring in to separatists following the downing of a Malaysian passenger plane last week.

The Ukrainian Defense Ministry said two Sukhoi-25 fighters were shot down Wednesday afternoon over an area called Savur Mogila. The planes may have been carrying up to two crew members each, according to Defense Ministry spokesman Oleksiy Dmitrashkovsky.

The pilots ejected from the planes but it is not known if they survived, Fox News confirms. A search party is out looking for them.

Reuters reported that Kiev blamed the latest incident on pro-Russian separatists, who are suspected of downing Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last Thursday, killing all 298 aboard. Although Russia has denied supplying the ethnic Russian separatists with sophisticated Buk surface-to-air missile batteries, the kind suspected of bringing down MH-17, Ukrainian defense officials say heavy weaponry is flowing into the Donetsk region that the separatists now control.

More than a dozen Russian-made multiple launch rocket systems crossed the Ukrainian-Russian border on Tuesday, according to Andriy Lysenko, the spokesman for the information center of the National Security and Defense Council. Those weapons are artillery, and built for shelling land-based targets.

The spokesman said that Russia in recent days had started supplying more sophisticated weapons to militants in eastern Ukraine, in particular, modified Grad systems.
More on this story http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/23/2-ukrainian-military-fighter-jets-shot-down-in-eastern-ukraine/

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/23/2-ukrainian-military-fighter-jets-shot-down-in-eastern-ukraine/

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The belief generally accepted is that Ukrainian rebels aligned to Russia and supplied with missiles by Russia shot down MH17.

The Russians beg to differ.

THE RUSSIANS IMPLY THAT THE UKRAINE AND THE CIA WERE INVOLVED!

Malaysia Chronicle

Tuesday, 22 July 2014 06:53

MH17 lost speed, altitude & veered 14km off course before being tailed by Ukrainian fighter jet – Russians blame CIA

Moscow – Russia said its flight records show a Ukrainian fighter jet was flying close to the Malaysian passenger airliner just before it crashed and that Kiev was operating radar stations used for missile systems.

Separately, a Russian television program has claimed that the US Central Intelligence Agency was behind the downing of the commercial jet liner.

Moscow also denied supplying Ukrainian separatists with Buk missile systems or any other weapons, as it sought to head off international accusations it was responsible for the downing of the Malaysian plane with 298 people on board.

Armed with a number of slides, charts and images, two high-ranking officials of Russia’s General Staff laid out a case against Ukraine at a specially called briefing.

Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartopolov said the Malaysian plane strayed north of its planned route, adding that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet, which is typically equipped with air-to-air missiles, had been recorded in the proximity of the Boeing 777.

“An altitude gain was recorded for a Ukrainian armed forces plane,” he told the briefing. “Its distance from the Malaysian Boeing was three to five kilometres,” he said, noting that the SU-25 is capable of reaching a height of 10,000 metres “for a brief time.”

“With what aim was a military plane flying along a civilian aviation route practically at the same time and at the same flight level as a passenger liner?” said General Kartopolov. “We would like to receive an answer to this question.”

He also said that the Russian defence ministry detected unusual activity from radar stations that are used to operate missile systems on the day of the tragedy.

“From July 17 (Thursday) the intensity of the operation of Ukrainian radar stations increased to the maximum,” said General Kartopolov.
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General Kartopolov insisted Russia had not supplied Ukrainian separatists with Buk missile systems or any other weapons.

The general’s explanation comes as US network NBC reported that a Russian broadcaster pinned the blame for the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 on the Central Intelligence Agency.

The report, on Russia’s Channel One, claimed the United States had planned to do the same thing during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis – an event that brought the US and Russia close to nuclear war.

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Ukraine rebels hand over black boxes to experts

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Star

Tuesday July 22, 2014 MYT 7:33:24 AM

MH17 crash: Malaysia receives black boxes from Ukrainian rebels

DONETSK: Malaysian officials have received the two MH17 black boxes from the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) on Tuesday in Ukraine.

At 1am this morning, DPR showed up at their government headquarters here, leading with them Malaysian government representatives.

Speaking to the press, DPR Prime Minister Alexander Borodai thanked Malaysia and the Netherlands for sending teams here on Monday to resolve the MH17 matter.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/07/22/MH17-crash-Black-box-receive/

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Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Blogger captures footage ‘showing BUK missile launcher that shot down jet’ now b…

Video: Buk missile system goes to Russia

The Independent Monday 231 July 2014

Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Blogger captures footage ‘showing BUK missile launcher that shot down jet’ now back in Russia

Ukrainian sources said the apparent Russian military truck had been travelling from the Ukraine-Russia border

And the latest video has been shared online under the title: “A Russian blogger filmed the BUK M1 in Russia, the one that shot the Boeing”.

A caption for the video reads: “For two kilometres, a blogger from Russia has been driving behind covered BUK 1M which, according to his words, had been driving from the Ukrainian border. His opinion is that it is exactly the BUK that made the shot.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-blogger-captures-footage-showing-buk-missile-launcher-that-shot-down-jet-now-back-in-russia-9618115.html

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Malaysiakini

5:21PM Jul 21, 2014

‘Tapped calls prove rebels plotted to hide black box’

Ukrainian intelligence services have released another set of intercepted phone conversations, claiming it to be rebel leaders plotting to hide MH17’s black box.

The two-minute tape was released by the Security Services of Ukraine (SBU) yesterday, and purportedly comprised three phone conversations between rebel leader Khodakovskyi Oleksandr Serhiyovych and two separatist rescue workers identified only as Oleksiy and Andriy.

“I have a request for you,” Khodakovskyi supposedly told Andriy in the second phone call at 6.10pm (11.10pm Malaysian time).

“Our friends from high above are very much interested in the fate of the black boxes. I mean people from Moscow. There are two items – Khmuryi, Strelok’s head of intelligence, has one.

“Please, cooperate with the Ministry of Emergency. All that you find must not come into somebody else’s hands,” he continued.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269458

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MH17: missile launcher was in towns near crash site, videos suggest via

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Free Malaysia Today

Air India flight was only 90 seconds from MH17

July 20, 2014

MUMBAI: An Air India Dreamliner flight going from Delhi to Birmingham was in fact less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft, a distance covered by a Dreamliner or Boeing 777 in about 90 seconds, when the latter was hit.

The Times of India reported that minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called “a direct routing”.

This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another. “Direct routing saves fuel and time and is preferred by pilots. In this case, it proved fatal,” said an airline source.

“The AI Dreamliner was less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft when the latter was hit by a missile. When the pilots learnt the cause of the crash later, they were stunned. It’s like the person standing next to you has been hit by a sniper bullet,” said the source.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/07/20/air-india-flight-was-only-90-seconds-from-mh17/

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We are retiring the MH17 flight number from 25 July out of respect for the crew and passengers –

MAS FLIGHTS
CHANGE OF TRAVEL PLANS?

Contact nearest MAS ticketing office or call 1-300-88-3000.

Passengers already booked with MAS and who intend to make changes are free to do so without any penalties, MAS said Saturday.

Passengers who wish to postpone or cancel their travel plans can also obtain a refund, including for non-refundable tickets.

“Our Enrich passengers will also receive fee waivers for any changes to their travel itinerary, as well as refunds of miles should they choose to cancel their redemption tickets,” MAS said in a statement.

MAS said the waiver was applicable for those booked to travel between July 18 and December 31 this year. Passengers would need to apply for the waiver by July 24.

Free Malaysia Today, MAS allows refunds without penalties, July 19, 2014 (http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/07/19/mas-allows-refunds-without-penalties/)

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WILL MH17 ALSO REMAIN AS MUCH A MYSTERY AS MH370?

Like Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanishing in March, what happened to MH17 is shrouded in mystery:

Today, the dispute has centered on who has MH17’s flight recorders, which could provide valuable information.

“The initial reports indicate that the plane was flying at about 33,000 feet when it was hit. And that is well beyond the range of these handheld surface-to-air missiles. That suggests a much larger, more advanced air defense system.”

However, like Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which vanished in March, what happened to MH17 is shrouded in mystery. According to RAND political scientist Christopher Chivvis, who worked on Eurasian security and NATO-Russia issues at the Pentagon, it could remain that way:

“We have to accept the possibility that despite the very significant tragedy, it may be that we never have a very clear picture of what actually happened—or at least [not] anytime soon.”

“If it remains a murky story, if Russia controls the black box, if no country is willing to provide intelligence on what happened, this will just be a tragic event that occurred that ultimately does not change the dynamic that we have seen developing over the last couple of weeks.”

http://www.rand.org/blog/2014/07/like-flight-370-the-mh17-crash-in-ukraine-could-remain.html?utm_source=rand_twitter&utm_medium=hootsuite_rand&utm_campaign=hootsuite_rand_twitter

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U.S. ties separatists to downing of jet; Russia denies role in crash

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Stop blaming Malaysia Airlines for downed MH17 – The Malaysian Insider –

 

Ukraine says Russia is helping separatists destroy evidence at Malaysia Airlines crash site:

Malaysia must have full access to crash site to ensure justice is done, Malaysian official said.

Free Malaysia Today

Rebel leader make bizarre claim

July 19, 2014

“Many victims may have been already dead before the plane took off,” says rebel leader

PETALING JAYA: A top pro-Russia separatist leader, who is fingered by western news organisation as supected of giving orders to fire a missile to bring down MH17, has made a bizarre claimed that many victims may have been already dead before the plane took off from Amsterdam.

Rebel leader Igor Girkin is reported as having said that he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh”.

He is quoted as having said in a post on social networking site Vkontakte, the second largest social network service in Europe after Facebook, that the bodies were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.

Girkin, an alleged former Russian military intelligence agent, however, said he could not confirm the information.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/07/19/rebel-leader-make-bizarre-claim/

Malaysiakini

10:55AM Jul 18, 2014

Did this man fire the missile at MH17?

The prime suspect behind the MH17 tragedy is the self-proclaimed defence minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Igor Girkin.

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, the former intelligence officer is known by the name Strelkov – or “shooter” and has even shot his own troops for insubordination.

The spotlight fell on Girkin after he reportedly posted a message on a Russian social media page, which read: “We did warn you – do not fly in our sky.”

The post was later removed when it became clear that the plane was a civilian aircraft and not a Ukranian military plane.

The Sydney Morning Herald pointed out that “no amateur can bring down a passenger jet streaking across the sky.”

“Don’t be lulled into believing any trooper with a rocket-propelled grenade launcher on his shoulder could carry out this attack.

“The professionalism required points to Girkin and his Russian-backed separatists as the most likely suspects.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269149

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Express

Did the pilot of doomed MH17 plane fly into disaster by changing course?

THE frightened pilot of stricken flight MH17 flew into disaster after changing course because he “felt uncomfortable” flying over Ukraine, it has been claimed.

Published: Fri, July 18, 2014

In a tragic irony, the captain’s altered route took him over hostile territory where Russian separatists allegedly mistook his plane for a military transport aircraft, and blew it out of the sky.

The sensational claim was made by Dr Igor Sutyagin, a research fellow in Russian Studies from the Royal United Services Institute.

He maintains a high-level source told how the pilot “felt bad” about his course over Ukrainian airspace, so drastically changed direction.

The incredible theory appears to be supported by previously unpublished map showing the passenger plane travelling on a different course to the previous ten MH17 flights.

Twitter user Vagelis Karmiros collated the information from Flightaware, the largest flight tracking website in the world.

Read more:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/489772/DId-pilot-of-MH17-plane-change-direction

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Malaysia Chronicle

Friday, 18 July 2014 09:25

WAS IT TO SAVE FUEL? MH17 pilots IGNORED several warnings to avoid Ukrainian airspace – report

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was flying 300m above restricted airspace when it was shot down over Ukraine, the Guardian reported today. There were 298 people on board the Boeing 777-200.

Citing the European air traffic control body – Eurocontrol – the British paper said the Ukrainian authorities had barred aircraft from ground level to 9,700m but MH17 was cruising at 10,000m when it was hit by a ground-to-air missile in the Ukraine.

The Daily Mail said it was believed the MAS pilots had ignored several warnings to avoid the airspace over Ukraine because it was a shorter route and flying over the Ukraine instead of diverting north or south would save fuel.

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FLOM TO PUTIN, “CALL MY HUBBY!”

Rosmah Mansor has sent word to Russian President Vladimir Putin to call her husband, Prime Minister Najib Abdul Razak, over the MH17 tragedy.

According to a brief report in Sin Chew Daily website, Rosmah said she had asked someone, who is close to her as well as Putin, to convey the message.

However, there is no mention as to who this person is.

The report stated that Rosmah is hoping Putin would take the initiative to call Najib and explain the issue in order to calm down Malaysians, who are enraged over the incident.

Malaysiakini, Call Najib, Rosmah sends word to Putin
(http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269217)

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An incriminating video

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17: Intercepted phone call from Russian separatist about MH17

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Interfax news agency reports all 295 on board killed in crash.

Video of the crash site

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Passenger on Malaysia Airlines MH17 ‘joked about plane disappearing’ | Mail Online

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Victims of Flight MH17 are honored at the Embassy of the Netherlands in Kiev, Ukraine:

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We just received a breakdown of the known nationalities of those killed on .

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Malaysiakini

Passengers and crew

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7.30am: Malaysia Airlines (MAS) announces that all its European flights will be taking alternative routes and avoiding the usual route.

“The usual flight route was earlier declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions,” MAS maintains in a statement.

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http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269126

Malaysia Airlines: Ukraine President calls plane crash an ‘act of terrorism’

Footage Surfaces of Malaysia Airlines Flight Crashing Into Ground (Video) via

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■遭導彈擊毀的MH17班機機組人員名單
機長:Wan Amran Bin Wan Hussin/男,50歲
機長:Eugene Choo Jin Leong/男,45歲
副機長:Ahmad Hakimi Bin Hanapi/男,29歲
副機長:Muhamad Firdaus Bin Abdul Rahim/男,27歲
機組人員:
Mohd Ghafar Bin Abu Bakar/男,54歲
Dora Shamila Binti Kassim/女,47歲
Azrina Binti Yakob/女,41歲
Lee Hui Pin/女,42歲
Mastura Binti Mustafa/女,40歲
Chong Yee Pheng/女,40歲
Shaikh Mohd Noor Bin Mahmood/男,44歲
Sanjid Singh Sandhu/男,41歲
Hamfazlin Sham Binti Mohamed Arifin/女,42歲
Nur Shazana Binti Mohamed Salleh/女,31歲
Angeline Premila Rajandaran/女,30歲

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The comments by the top military commander of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic” suggest the separatists had shot down the Malaysia Airlines plane by mistake, believing it was a large Ukrainian army transport plane.

Rebel site suggests insurgents shot down Flight MH17 ‘by mistake’

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Photos from the crash site

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22 bodies counted at Ukraine Malaysia Airlines crash site – NDTV

22 Bodies Counted at Ukraine Malaysia Airlines Crash Site

Werckage of the Malaysia Airlines plane shot down in Eastern Ukraine

The Russian news service Interfax is reporting 23 U.S. citizens were on board the Malaysia Airlines flight

The Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine

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Wow I’m so glad someone clarified this was photoshopped from LOST, because the landscape looks JUST like Ukraine.

This isn't the Malaysia Airlines crash. It's Photoshopped from Lost.

We’re still learning exactly what happened with Malaysia Airlines flight 17, but there’s one thing we can be sure about: this photo is fake. It’s a photoshopped screenshot from the TV series Lost.

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Update: The account that’s passing it off as real (with 3,626 retweets and counting) is @VyrecPenang on Twitter:

This isn’t the Malaysia Airlines crash. It’s Photoshopped from Lost.

According to , made that fake Malaysian Airlines crash photo go viral

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MAS MH17 Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur has crashed!

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Images from the crash site.

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Bodies and wreckage found near town of Grabovo in Ukraine – live updates

Bodies and wreckage found near Grabovo

Dozens of bodies and broken pieces of wing with MH17 colors have been found near the town of Grabovo, according to a Reuters correspondent.

Dozens of bodies were scattered around the smouldering wreckage of a passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, a Reuters reporter said.

An emergency services rescue worker said at least 100 bodies had so far been found at the scene, near the village of Grabovo, and that debris from the wreckage was scattered across an area up to about 15km (nine miles) in diameter.

Broken pieces of the wings were marked with blue and red paint – the same colours as the emblem of the Malaysian airline which lost track of a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was carrying almost 300 people.

http://news.sky.com/story/1302864/malaysian-plane-shot-down-with-295-on-board

Ukraine says rebels shot down Malaysia Airlines flight with 295 aboard near Russia

KYIV, Ukraine — A Ukrainian official said a passenger plane carrying 295 people was shot down Thursday over a town in the east of the country, and Malaysian Airlines tweeted that it lost contact with one of its flights over Ukrainian airspace.

Anton Gerashenko, an adviser to Ukraine’s interior minister, said on his Facebook page the plane was flying at an altitude of 10,000 metres when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher. A similar launcher was seen by Associated Press journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier Thursday. The Buk missile system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 22,000 metres.

Malaysia Airlines said on its Twitter feed that it “has lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam. The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow.”

The region has seen severe fighting between Ukrainian forces and pro-Russia separatist rebels in recent days.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysian-passenger-plane-crashes-in-ukraine-near-russian-border-with-295-people-aboard/

Malaysiakini

11:40PM Jul 17, 2014

MAS MH17 crashes in Ukraine, 295 people on board

The plane was due to arrive in Kuala Lumpur at 6.09am tomorrow.

The Interfax report said the plane came down 50km short of entering Russian airspace.

It “began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory,” the unnamed source said.

The plane appeared to have come down in a region of military action where Ukrainian government forces are battling pro-Russian separatists.

A separate unnamed source in the Ukrainian security apparatus, quoted by Interfax, said the plane disappeared from radar at a height of 10,000 metres after which it came down near the town of Shakhtyorsk, reported Reuters.

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/269095

Malaysia Airlines plane crash: Boeing jet carrying 295 people ‘shot down’ in Ukraine
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The Telegraph

Malaysian Airlines Boeing777 has crashed on Ukraine-Russian border

Malaysian Airlines Boeing777 has crashed on Ukraine-Russian border Photo: RilekOne Corner/ YouTube

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysian-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html

Report: Malaysia Airlines Plane Crashes in Ukraine With 295 on Board

EXPRESS

BREAKING NEWS: Malaysia Airlines passenger plane crashes in Ukraine

Published: Thu, July 17, 2014

A MALAYSIAN Airlines passenger plane with 295 people has crashed in Ukraine today.

The Boeing 777 went down near the Russian border according to an aviation industry source.

It is not clear what caused the flight MH17 to crash or if there have been any fatalities.

According to  Interfax the plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/489495/Malaysia-passenger-plane-MH17-crashes

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